1 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:05,240 okay I'm gonna be doing the forbidden 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:07,350 thing of reading from a printed text 3 00:00:14,930 --> 00:00:11,010 unfortunately that's how I roll and the 4 00:00:18,109 --> 00:00:14,940 slides are I'm sorry oh I'm sorry 5 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,119 okay and the slides are mostly blocked 6 00:00:22,849 --> 00:00:21,270 quotes from Freud they're not required 7 00:00:26,929 --> 00:00:22,859 reading so you can feel free to ignore 8 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:26,939 them they're decorative Oedipus Rex was 9 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:29,070 Sigmund Freud's favorite ancient drama 10 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:31,230 long before psychoanalysis was a glimmer 11 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:33,540 in his eye when he was a medical student 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:35,700 at the University of Vienna the Jung 13 00:00:38,990 --> 00:00:37,530 Freud strolled among the busts of great 14 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:39,000 scholars who had taught there and 15 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:41,040 dreamed that his own bust would one day 16 00:00:45,889 --> 00:00:43,260 be among them inscribed with a specific 17 00:00:47,779 --> 00:00:45,899 line from Sophocles tragedy who divined 18 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:47,789 the famed riddle and was a man most 19 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:52,260 mighty over three decades later on his 20 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:54,690 50th birthday the now famous explorer of 21 00:00:58,549 --> 00:00:56,910 human self ignorant was presented with a 22 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:58,559 medallion by some of his Viennese 23 00:01:03,740 --> 00:01:01,379 followers one side showed his face in 24 00:01:05,690 --> 00:01:03,750 profile the other showed Oedipus 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:05,700 standing before the Sphinx along with 26 00:01:09,350 --> 00:01:07,650 that exact line from Sophocles even 27 00:01:10,660 --> 00:01:09,360 though Freud had never told anyone of 28 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:10,670 its significance to him 29 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:13,530 his biographer Ernest Jones wrote that 30 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:15,240 when Freud read the inscription he 31 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:17,670 became pale and agitated and in a 32 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:19,650 strangled voice demanded to know who had 33 00:01:24,830 --> 00:01:21,479 thought of it he behaved as if he had 34 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:24,840 encountered a revenant standard 35 00:01:28,219 --> 00:01:26,700 psychoanalytic thinking holds do we feel 36 00:01:30,109 --> 00:01:28,229 trepidation when getting things we've 37 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:30,119 whisked for because we fear the wrath of 38 00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:32,540 our internalized parent figures an 39 00:01:36,740 --> 00:01:34,860 alternative possibility that Freud's 40 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:36,750 youthful fantasy had really been a kind 41 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:38,729 of premonition and that realizing that 42 00:01:42,380 --> 00:01:40,560 fact is what koi had caused Freud to 43 00:01:44,450 --> 00:01:42,390 feel as if he'd seen a revenant is never 44 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:44,460 even suggested by Freud scholars because 45 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:46,530 Freud himself effectively banished any 46 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:48,450 whiff of paranormal force it--from 47 00:01:53,660 --> 00:01:51,990 psychoanalysis Freud is sometimes been 48 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:53,670 presented as a skeptic on all things 49 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:55,560 psychical but the story's way more 50 00:01:59,959 --> 00:01:57,990 complicated privately he was curious and 51 00:02:01,969 --> 00:01:59,969 open-minded about many occult phenomena 52 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:01,979 like telepathy and even wrote about them 53 00:02:05,420 --> 00:02:03,930 late in his career but one thing he 54 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:05,430 could not accept was any form of 55 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:07,290 foreknowledge not rooted in ordinary 56 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:10,709 inference for instance in dreams in his 57 00:02:13,290 --> 00:02:12,720 landmark work the interpretation of 58 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:13,300 dreams 59 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:17,050 not tell the future to find the 60 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:18,490 repressed wishes he thought dreams 61 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:20,050 represented we can only look in the 62 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:22,300 individuals recent or more distant past 63 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:25,840 and in a short 1899 paper called a 64 00:02:31,170 --> 00:02:29,260 premonitory dream fulfilled he debunked 65 00:02:33,090 --> 00:02:31,180 a female patients claim that she had 66 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:33,100 dreamed of running into an old friend to 67 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:35,860 dr. K in front of a particular shop the 68 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:36,970 night before it happened 69 00:02:41,130 --> 00:02:39,010 he explained that her dream memory was a 70 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:41,140 retroactive construct to mask a real 71 00:02:45,150 --> 00:02:42,910 fantasy about her lover who also 72 00:02:46,350 --> 00:02:45,160 happened to be a doctor K since the 73 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:46,360 patient didn't write her dream down 74 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:48,250 before the supposed Precog NIH's de vent 75 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:50,500 she was he said forced to accept his 76 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:52,330 more reasonable interpretation even 77 00:02:58,860 --> 00:02:53,650 though it was not based on anything she 78 00:03:00,750 --> 00:02:58,870 actually told him about her dream around 79 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:00,760 the time Freud was writing his works on 80 00:03:04,410 --> 00:03:02,890 dreams an English soldier named John 81 00:03:07,650 --> 00:03:04,420 William Dunne who we heard about earlier 82 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:07,660 from Dale Graf was observing instances 83 00:03:12,060 --> 00:03:09,400 of seeming dream precognition in his own 84 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:12,070 life after a couple stints fighting in 85 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:13,930 South Africa he devoted himself to 86 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:15,850 aeronautical engineering and in his 87 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,650 spare time he approached the problem of 88 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:19,440 his dreams the way an engineer would 89 00:03:22,979 --> 00:03:21,370 methodically recording them so he could 90 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:22,989 compare them with subsequent events and 91 00:03:26,670 --> 00:03:24,880 rule out the kind of retroactive memory 92 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:26,680 distortion that Freud assumed was 93 00:03:31,949 --> 00:03:29,920 operative Dunn's most famous dream 94 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:31,959 preceded his rigorous approach but it is 95 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:33,940 worth citing while he was camped out 96 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:35,500 with his regiment in Orange Free State 97 00:03:40,229 --> 00:03:38,590 in 1900 he dreamed a volcano on some 98 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:40,239 french-speaking Island was about to 99 00:03:44,729 --> 00:03:42,550 erupt and that 4,000 people were about 100 00:03:46,350 --> 00:03:44,739 to die when the next batch of mail 101 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:46,360 reached him it included a newspaper 102 00:03:51,060 --> 00:03:48,190 story about the eruption of Mont Palais 103 00:03:52,979 --> 00:03:51,070 on Martinique killing 40,000 people he 104 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:52,989 misread the headline to read 4,000 and 105 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:54,820 continue to remember it as 4,000 for 106 00:03:59,720 --> 00:03:57,100 years afterward the actual death toll 107 00:04:01,860 --> 00:03:59,730 ended up being something like 36,000 108 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:01,870 several years later he dreamed that a 109 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:04,959 test pilot friend lieutenant B crashed a 110 00:04:08,190 --> 00:04:06,400 monoplane and walked away from the 111 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:08,200 wreckage toward him explaining it was 112 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:10,930 the beastly engine he later found out B 113 00:04:14,790 --> 00:04:12,550 was killed in a test flight the very 114 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:14,800 same morning he had the dream he would 115 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:16,450 have at that point imagined the cause 116 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:18,130 was the engine because B had to 117 00:04:21,659 --> 00:04:20,080 expressed concern about it but when 118 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:21,669 investigating the crash later he 119 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:23,260 discovered it had to do with a lift wire 120 00:04:25,710 --> 00:04:24,130 that had snapped 121 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:25,720 not the engine Lu ten 122 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:27,160 we would have known this as his plane 123 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:30,310 was crashing dreams that find 124 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:32,410 confirmation soon afterwards may easily 125 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:33,940 be mistaken for clairvoyance or 126 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:35,950 telepathy or perhaps afterlife life 127 00:04:40,170 --> 00:04:37,870 communication as in the lieutenant be 128 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:40,180 example but when the confirmation proved 129 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:42,580 somewhat inaccurate or fragmentary as in 130 00:04:46,710 --> 00:04:44,830 these two cases it acted as a tracer 131 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:46,720 revealing to Dunn the real signal 132 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:48,790 Channel instead of coming across space 133 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:50,740 or other minds the information really 134 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:52,810 upon closer examination seemed to come 135 00:05:01,110 --> 00:04:54,520 from his own learning experience in the 136 00:05:02,670 --> 00:05:01,120 future Dunn's 1927 book and experiment 137 00:05:04,350 --> 00:05:02,680 with time contains numerous other 138 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:04,360 examples collected over many years 139 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:06,610 supporting his theory that part of our 140 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:07,990 consciousness is liberated from the 141 00:05:11,850 --> 00:05:10,000 present present moment during sleep to 142 00:05:14,370 --> 00:05:11,860 travel forward as well as backward along 143 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:14,380 our brain line he invited readers to 144 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:15,790 conduct a similar experiment with their 145 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:17,620 own dreams recording them and comparing 146 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:19,650 them to events in the subsequent days 147 00:05:24,030 --> 00:05:22,270 Dunn knew Freud's theories about dreams 148 00:05:25,590 --> 00:05:24,040 and unlike Freud he saw no conflict 149 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:25,600 between the idea that dreams represent 150 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:27,910 disguised fulfillments of repressed 151 00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:30,010 wishes and the idea that dreams can also 152 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:31,780 predict the future in fact it seemed 153 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:33,490 plain to him that dreams may reach into 154 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:35,410 the future for the symbolic materials to 155 00:05:40,290 --> 00:05:37,720 create wish-fulfilling scenes as much as 156 00:05:42,540 --> 00:05:40,300 they reach into our past a famous 157 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:42,550 heartbreaking dream from Freud's book is 158 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:45,280 a good example of this possibility a man 159 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:46,750 had been sitting at the bedside of his 160 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:48,970 deathly ill child and after the child 161 00:05:54,030 --> 00:05:50,950 died he went to lay down in an adjoining 162 00:05:55,950 --> 00:05:54,040 room there he dreamed that the child was 163 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:55,960 tugging him by the arm saying father 164 00:06:00,300 --> 00:05:58,330 don't you see I'm burning he rushed into 165 00:06:02,130 --> 00:06:00,310 the room with his bot with the body to 166 00:06:03,690 --> 00:06:02,140 find that a candle had fallen over and 167 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:03,700 the child's sleeve had caught fire and 168 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:06,700 was singeing his arm Freud argued that 169 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:08,770 the dream enabled the dreamer could 170 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,390 enabled the father to continue sleeping 171 00:06:14,130 --> 00:06:12,160 for a few precious seconds with his 172 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:14,140 dream image of his child rather than 173 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:15,820 make him rise immediately to put out the 174 00:06:20,490 --> 00:06:18,190 fire but this leaves unexplained how the 175 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:20,500 man's sleeping mind knew so precisely 176 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:22,479 what was happening in the next room we 177 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:23,890 are simply to accept that the grieving 178 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:25,750 father's super-sensitive and super 179 00:06:29,940 --> 00:06:28,120 intelligent unconscious do a remarkably 180 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:29,950 correct inference based on sense data 181 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:32,050 received while asleep behind a mostly 182 00:06:38,999 --> 00:06:36,760 closed door in his next book the 183 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:39,009 psychopathology of everyday life 184 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:41,289 used the supposed super abilities of the 185 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:42,849 unconscious to explain away many 186 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:45,039 familiar superstitions and the kinds of 187 00:06:48,779 --> 00:06:46,900 coincidences Carl Jung later called 188 00:06:50,429 --> 00:06:48,789 synchronicity such as the common 189 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:50,439 experience of thinking about some random 190 00:06:54,239 --> 00:06:52,240 person just before running into them 191 00:06:55,889 --> 00:06:54,249 for instance Freud reports he had a 192 00:06:57,809 --> 00:06:55,899 sudden fantasy while walking along a 193 00:06:59,249 --> 00:06:57,819 Vienna Street about a couple who had 194 00:07:01,469 --> 00:06:59,259 rejected his services for their daughter 195 00:07:02,999 --> 00:07:01,479 months earlier the fantasy was that they 196 00:07:04,739 --> 00:07:03,009 would now seek him out since he had just 197 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:04,749 been named professor but that he would 198 00:07:08,670 --> 00:07:06,539 now reject them as they had rejected him 199 00:07:10,619 --> 00:07:08,680 just then he heard himself addressed 200 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:10,629 good day to you professor it was the 201 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:12,089 very couple he had just been thinking of 202 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:14,889 to explain this Freud supposes that he 203 00:07:19,139 --> 00:07:16,990 had looked up the street just ahead just 204 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:19,149 before his fantasy and recognized their 205 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:20,889 approach but blotted out the conscious 206 00:07:24,119 --> 00:07:22,089 awareness of it through negative 207 00:07:26,429 --> 00:07:24,129 hallucination while his mind could 208 00:07:28,139 --> 00:07:26,439 repair his little wish scene but here 209 00:07:30,239 --> 00:07:28,149 again this substitutes an elaborate and 210 00:07:32,429 --> 00:07:30,249 convoluted cognitive mechanism for the 211 00:07:34,559 --> 00:07:32,439 more parsimonious but yes causally 212 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:34,569 outrageous idea that he simply pre 213 00:07:38,339 --> 00:07:36,490 sensed a rewarding encounter before it 214 00:07:40,049 --> 00:07:38,349 happened being called professor in 215 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:40,059 public by patients who he thought had 216 00:07:46,139 --> 00:07:44,050 previously disrespected him there is now 217 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:46,149 robust laboratory evidence supporting 218 00:07:49,559 --> 00:07:47,770 various forms of precognition and 219 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:49,569 presentiment as we've heard already at 220 00:07:54,089 --> 00:07:51,849 this Congress so it is time to reassess 221 00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:54,099 just how outrageous this possibility is 222 00:07:57,749 --> 00:07:56,019 could many of the phenomena we 223 00:07:59,579 --> 00:07:57,759 classically associate with the Freudian 224 00:08:05,939 --> 00:07:59,589 unconscious really be some form of 225 00:08:07,949 --> 00:08:05,949 precognition in disguise in the 1920s 226 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:07,959 and 30s Freud felt safer to write about 227 00:08:12,119 --> 00:08:10,089 occult topics than he had earlier in his 228 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:12,129 career and he did so in a handful of 229 00:08:15,899 --> 00:08:13,870 papers and lectures on cases of 230 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:15,909 extensible telepathy or what he called 231 00:08:20,909 --> 00:08:18,550 thought transference in a piece called 232 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:20,919 dreams and occultism he described a few 233 00:08:24,719 --> 00:08:22,209 cases that can potentially be 234 00:08:26,189 --> 00:08:24,729 reinterpreted as precognition for 235 00:08:27,929 --> 00:08:26,199 example there is the case of a male 236 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:27,939 patient who reported a dream that his 237 00:08:31,949 --> 00:08:29,860 second wife gave birth to twins in 238 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:31,959 reality she was not pregnant and the 239 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:33,250 patient did not plan to have children 240 00:08:37,139 --> 00:08:35,440 with her but a day later the man 241 00:08:38,579 --> 00:08:37,149 received a telegram that his daughter by 242 00:08:40,709 --> 00:08:38,589 his first marriage who lived in another 243 00:08:42,839 --> 00:08:40,719 city had given birth to twins on the 244 00:08:44,430 --> 00:08:42,849 same night he had his dream he had 245 00:08:45,809 --> 00:08:44,440 already known she was pregnant but he 246 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:45,819 also knew the birth was not due for 247 00:08:50,009 --> 00:08:47,740 another month so it seemed to Freud a 248 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:50,019 likely case of dream telepathy what 249 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:51,250 clinched it was that the man had 250 00:08:53,859 --> 00:08:51,889 powerful 251 00:08:55,329 --> 00:08:53,869 oedipal feelings for his daughter he 252 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:55,339 even like to think she was thinking only 253 00:08:59,799 --> 00:08:56,809 of him while giving birth 254 00:09:01,720 --> 00:08:59,809 he clearly needed Freud's help because 255 00:09:03,249 --> 00:09:01,730 of these unacceptable feelings his dream 256 00:09:05,859 --> 00:09:03,259 might naturally have substituted his 257 00:09:07,179 --> 00:09:05,869 wife for his daughter Freud argued there 258 00:09:08,769 --> 00:09:07,189 is no way to prove one way or another 259 00:09:10,929 --> 00:09:08,779 whether this was really a telepathic 260 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:10,939 dream or a done Ian precognitive dream 261 00:09:14,619 --> 00:09:12,470 of his reactions to the telegram 262 00:09:16,449 --> 00:09:14,629 announcing the birth but another even 263 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:16,459 more striking case of clinical para 264 00:09:20,530 --> 00:09:18,529 praxis described in the same piece 265 00:09:22,030 --> 00:09:20,540 contains enough forensic detail that we 266 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:22,040 can safely reread it as a case of 267 00:09:28,749 --> 00:09:23,689 presentiment or precognition not 268 00:09:30,609 --> 00:09:28,759 telepathy a man Freud called Hare P have 269 00:09:32,710 --> 00:09:30,619 been seeing him on a time-limited basis 270 00:09:34,869 --> 00:09:32,720 in the summer of 1919 to address his 271 00:09:37,269 --> 00:09:34,879 sexual difficulties the men shared a 272 00:09:39,129 --> 00:09:37,279 mutual interest in English literature so 273 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:39,139 the patient lent freud a copy of John 274 00:09:42,789 --> 00:09:41,600 Gauls were these the Forsyte Saga which 275 00:09:45,699 --> 00:09:42,799 served as a touchstone in their 276 00:09:47,109 --> 00:09:45,709 conversations later Freud was visited in 277 00:09:49,419 --> 00:09:47,119 the morning for the first time by a 278 00:09:51,819 --> 00:09:49,429 London psychiatrist dr. David force 279 00:09:53,049 --> 00:09:51,829 cites freshly arrived from England to 280 00:09:55,389 --> 00:09:53,059 begin a period of training and 281 00:09:56,979 --> 00:09:55,399 psychoanalytic technique he did not know 282 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:56,989 it yet but this training would require 283 00:10:01,749 --> 00:09:58,970 Freud to terminate peas analysis soon 284 00:10:03,970 --> 00:10:01,759 thereafter after dr. Forsythe left 285 00:10:05,259 --> 00:10:03,980 Freud's office P arrived for his session 286 00:10:07,030 --> 00:10:05,269 during which he discussed his 287 00:10:09,729 --> 00:10:07,040 inhibitions about sex with a young woman 288 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:09,739 he was courting Freud writes he had 289 00:10:13,359 --> 00:10:11,689 often talked of her before but that day 290 00:10:15,340 --> 00:10:13,369 he told me for the first time that she 291 00:10:17,530 --> 00:10:15,350 used to call him hare von vorsicht or 292 00:10:19,299 --> 00:10:17,540 mr. Forsyte I was struck by this 293 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:19,309 information dr. Forsythe is 294 00:10:24,909 --> 00:10:21,110 visiting-card lay beside me and I showed 295 00:10:26,259 --> 00:10:24,919 it to him Freud surmises that P had 296 00:10:28,389 --> 00:10:26,269 telepathically detected his 297 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:28,399 preoccupation with dr. Forsythe and felt 298 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:30,230 jealous since the Englishman would soon 299 00:10:34,419 --> 00:10:31,970 be taking his place so the random 300 00:10:36,489 --> 00:10:34,429 mention of being called mr. Forsyte was 301 00:10:40,239 --> 00:10:36,499 a jealous demand from P's unconscious 302 00:10:41,499 --> 00:10:40,249 hey I'm a Forsyte to hear the refusal or 303 00:10:43,479 --> 00:10:41,509 inability to countenance real 304 00:10:44,979 --> 00:10:43,489 precognitive foresight prevented Freud 305 00:10:47,529 --> 00:10:44,989 from seeing what might have been obvious 306 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:47,539 to JW done the fact that just after P 307 00:10:51,939 --> 00:10:49,970 made his rather made his utterance for 308 00:10:55,179 --> 00:10:51,949 an expressed surprise and showed him dr. 309 00:10:56,769 --> 00:10:55,189 Foresight's calling card in other words 310 00:10:58,989 --> 00:10:56,779 rather than telepathically mucking about 311 00:11:01,479 --> 00:10:58,999 in his daughter in his doctor's Forsythe 312 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:01,489 obsessed brain Piku just as easily and I 313 00:11:04,329 --> 00:11:03,350 argue more plausibly have been pre 314 00:11:06,579 --> 00:11:04,339 sponding to that 315 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:06,589 rewarding but also unsettling disclosure 316 00:11:11,350 --> 00:11:09,290 and reaction by his doctor had freud 317 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:11,360 omitted this little detail it might have 318 00:11:14,860 --> 00:11:12,769 been hard to deconstruct his thought 319 00:11:16,989 --> 00:11:14,870 transference argument indeed all too 320 00:11:18,309 --> 00:11:16,999 many cases ultimately case descriptions 321 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:18,319 of extensible telepathy or clairvoyance 322 00:11:23,049 --> 00:11:20,480 in the psychical or parapsychological 323 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:23,059 literature simply state whether or not a 324 00:11:26,889 --> 00:11:24,769 psychic subject correctly produced 325 00:11:28,749 --> 00:11:26,899 veridical information without clarifying 326 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:28,759 how the subject found out who she was 327 00:11:32,170 --> 00:11:30,680 correct but the latter element of 328 00:11:35,049 --> 00:11:32,180 feedback may be a crucial piece of the 329 00:11:36,670 --> 00:11:35,059 story interpreting this case in terms of 330 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:36,680 precognition has the advantage of making 331 00:11:40,629 --> 00:11:38,480 sense of Pease prior history of book 332 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:40,639 lending to Freud which preceded dr. 333 00:11:44,530 --> 00:11:42,800 forsytes visit we might indeed call 334 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:44,540 Pease behavior leading up to the 335 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:46,430 divulgence of doctor for science calling 336 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:48,529 card a kind of precognitive symptom 337 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:50,569 taking the form of litter of a literally 338 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:52,490 self-fulfilling prophecy or a time loop 339 00:11:56,350 --> 00:11:54,050 it's a saw as a cots 340 00:11:58,420 --> 00:11:56,360 it's a causally circular situation 341 00:12:00,429 --> 00:11:58,430 because Freud would not have shown P the 342 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:00,439 card or expressed gratifying amazement 343 00:12:05,069 --> 00:12:02,480 at the coincidence had peanut first 344 00:12:06,819 --> 00:12:05,079 mentioned being called mr. Forsyte 345 00:12:09,819 --> 00:12:06,829 psychotherapeutic case studies 346 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:09,829 frequently catch such and preserve such 347 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:12,769 baffling circular situations like bugs 348 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:15,170 in amber time prevents me here from 349 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:16,790 addressing the famous scarab incident in 350 00:12:21,340 --> 00:12:18,769 carl jung's office for instance but upon 351 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:21,350 forensic examination its logic is very 352 00:12:34,060 --> 00:12:32,140 there is no more ironic and telling 353 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:34,070 example of dream precognition and 354 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:36,140 Freud's own denial of it than the very 355 00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:41,830 dream that put him on the map in 1895 356 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:44,480 Freud dreamed he was examining a patient 357 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:46,190 and friend of his Anna hammer Schlag 358 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:47,540 whom he gave the name 359 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:50,330 Irma to protect her anonymity in real 360 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:51,950 life and his problems were purely 361 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:52,610 psychological 362 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:54,530 but when Freud's dream self looked 363 00:12:58,420 --> 00:12:56,240 inside her mouth he saw a white patch 364 00:12:59,470 --> 00:12:58,430 and scabs on her cheek and palate and a 365 00:13:02,380 --> 00:12:59,480 feature that could only have been 366 00:13:04,330 --> 00:13:02,390 visible in the nose it was hard to even 367 00:13:06,270 --> 00:13:04,340 get her to open her mouth she acted like 368 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:06,280 a woman shy because of wearing dentures 369 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:08,930 in the dream he summons a trio of 370 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:10,970 physician friends to have a look they 371 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:13,070 poke and prod and pompously mansplain 372 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:15,170 like stereotypical victorian doctors and 373 00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:17,390 lastly Freud's dream self concludes that 374 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:19,760 what caused hermas oral malady was an 375 00:13:23,020 --> 00:13:21,290 injection administered thoughtlessly 376 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:23,030 with a dirty syringe by one of those 377 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:25,160 friends his family pediatrician whom he 378 00:13:29,530 --> 00:13:28,250 calls otto after free associating on 379 00:13:31,510 --> 00:13:29,540 this dreams various elements 380 00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:31,520 Freud concluded that his latent dream 381 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:33,440 thought was a wish that he be innocent 382 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:35,360 of any malpractice in his treatment of 383 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:37,490 Anna malpractice was rampant in his 384 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:39,830 medical circle at the time and that Otto 385 00:13:44,350 --> 00:13:41,660 instead be the one at fault for the fact 386 00:13:46,210 --> 00:13:44,360 that Anna had not gotten better it was 387 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:46,220 this dream that led Freud to his famous 388 00:13:50,290 --> 00:13:48,530 controversial conclusion that all dreams 389 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:50,300 are disguised fulfillments of repressed 390 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:55,130 wishes but in 1982 a Brazilian cancer 391 00:13:59,560 --> 00:13:57,710 surgeon named Jose shabal Zhaan noted 392 00:14:01,329 --> 00:13:59,570 that the precise symptoms displayed in 393 00:14:03,010 --> 00:14:01,339 dream Irma's mouth matched the 394 00:14:04,690 --> 00:14:03,020 progression of oral cancer that Freud 395 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:04,700 himself suffered nearly three decades 396 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:07,760 later a white patch followed by scabs in 397 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,230 the aftermath of increasingly invasive 398 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:11,360 surgeries and radiation treatments in 399 00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:13,310 one particularly horrible surgery part 400 00:14:17,380 --> 00:14:15,200 of Freud's jaw and palate were removed 401 00:14:19,630 --> 00:14:17,390 with a chisel which exposed his nasal 402 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:19,640 cavity to view inside his mouth it would 403 00:14:23,890 --> 00:14:21,290 have exposed the feature he thought he 404 00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:23,900 could see inner m'as mouth it became 405 00:14:27,790 --> 00:14:26,030 hard for Freud to open his mouth once a 406 00:14:29,230 --> 00:14:27,800 denture like prosthetic was fitted and 407 00:14:31,870 --> 00:14:29,240 he could only barely talk for the last 408 00:14:33,370 --> 00:14:31,880 decade and a half of his life other 409 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:33,380 writers have seen this dream is a 410 00:14:38,050 --> 00:14:35,630 warning unheeded from Freud's future 411 00:14:40,180 --> 00:14:38,060 self but I think we can go farther and 412 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:40,190 see that it might have pre presented a 413 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:41,870 set of conscious thoughts and wishes 414 00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:43,310 Freud would have had in 415 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:45,920 19:23 following his cancer diagnosis and 416 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:48,950 surgeries first Freud's thoughts in 1923 417 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:50,600 would almost certainly have included a 418 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:52,610 self-reproach for not following his old 419 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:55,130 friend vilhelm fleeces urging to quit 420 00:14:59,230 --> 00:14:57,290 smoking fleeces another in that 421 00:15:01,360 --> 00:14:59,240 physician trio and when he had the dream 422 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:01,370 Freud had just relapsed from a short 423 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:03,260 period of abstinence from his cigar use 424 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:05,270 and was specifically worried what fleece 425 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:06,320 would say about that 426 00:15:10,540 --> 00:15:08,930 Freud's dream self reproaches Emma with 427 00:15:12,010 --> 00:15:10,550 the very words he might have consciously 428 00:15:14,019 --> 00:15:12,020 directed it himself all those years 429 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:14,029 later you know it's really only her own 430 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:14,510 fault 431 00:15:19,390 --> 00:15:17,570 I suggest Freud could not also not have 432 00:15:20,650 --> 00:15:19,400 been blind to the uncanny similarity 433 00:15:23,650 --> 00:15:20,660 between what was happening in his own 434 00:15:25,329 --> 00:15:23,660 body in 1923 and the and the symptoms of 435 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:25,339 his friend Anna his friend Anna had 436 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:27,350 displayed in his famous dream of the 437 00:15:32,050 --> 00:15:28,850 period that immediately preceded his 438 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:32,060 fame if that's the case then his 439 00:15:35,290 --> 00:15:33,770 thoughts might also have included a wish 440 00:15:36,940 --> 00:15:35,300 that he had been correct that dreams are 441 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:36,950 really just wish fulfillment and not 442 00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:39,290 premonitions of future events wishing he 443 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:41,180 was right about dreams being just wishes 444 00:15:44,350 --> 00:15:42,770 would effectively wish away his cancer 445 00:15:46,390 --> 00:15:44,360 as well as put himself above any 446 00:15:47,470 --> 00:15:46,400 professional reproach for having misled 447 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:47,480 the world about the meaning of our 448 00:15:52,329 --> 00:15:50,000 dreams there are interesting reasons why 449 00:15:53,770 --> 00:15:52,339 Freud's friend and a hammer slog might 450 00:15:57,010 --> 00:15:53,780 have made an appropriate figure in his 451 00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,020 1865 life on which to displace his own 452 00:16:01,510 --> 00:15:59,360 1923 illness and thereby pre present 453 00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:01,520 this later conscious wish I go into this 454 00:16:05,470 --> 00:16:02,900 case in much greater detail in my book 455 00:16:06,730 --> 00:16:05,480 time loops if anyone is interested we 456 00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:06,740 are forced to speculate here obviously 457 00:16:10,510 --> 00:16:08,630 because Troy did not voice doubts about 458 00:16:11,980 --> 00:16:10,520 his theory in public and here we get 459 00:16:13,510 --> 00:16:11,990 into the very real issues around 460 00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:13,520 interpretive approaches to dreams and 461 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:15,920 their inherent non testability but this 462 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:17,510 interpretation fits a pattern that is 463 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:18,950 consistent with other cases when 464 00:16:22,390 --> 00:16:20,690 dreamers experienced the fulfillment of 465 00:16:24,540 --> 00:16:22,400 some dark premonition that they failed 466 00:16:26,829 --> 00:16:24,550 to recognize or as such or heed 467 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:26,839 spontaneous premonitory experiences like 468 00:16:30,910 --> 00:16:28,370 dreams very often though not always 469 00:16:32,620 --> 00:16:30,920 focus on later situations where an 470 00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:32,630 individual physically survives some 471 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:35,060 ordeal or calamity but at some cost that 472 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:37,250 may include regret or guilt it's 473 00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:38,390 important to remember that Freud 474 00:16:42,460 --> 00:16:40,640 survived 16 more years after his cancer 475 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:42,470 diagnosis this was not a premonition of 476 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:49,090 Freud's theories about dreams in the 477 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:51,320 unconscious enjoyed wide popularity in 478 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:52,940 the first half of the 20th century and 479 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:54,800 exerted strong influence on mainstream 480 00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:56,690 psychiatry during that time but as 481 00:17:00,070 --> 00:16:58,160 legacy is not fared well in mainstream 482 00:17:02,530 --> 00:17:00,080 science in large part because of the 483 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:02,540 theories unfalsifiable 'ti a dreamer is 484 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:05,150 an N of one and associations to a dreams 485 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:07,400 elements are highly idiosyncratic and 486 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:09,980 strictly untestable the unconscious as 487 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:11,810 Freud formulated it is also somewhat 488 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:13,670 paradoxical it involves an agency 489 00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,230 capable of being aware of what it is 490 00:17:18,699 --> 00:17:17,120 censoring and judging without the 491 00:17:22,030 --> 00:17:18,709 individual being aware of that thought 492 00:17:24,370 --> 00:17:22,040 process rather than throwing out Freud 493 00:17:26,110 --> 00:17:24,380 wholesale as generations of Freud 494 00:17:26,860 --> 00:17:26,120 bashers have demanded because of these 495 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:26,870 difficulties 496 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:28,730 I think parapsychology could gain much 497 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:30,500 from a cautious and measured return to 498 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:33,200 Freud if our behavior is perturbed or 499 00:17:37,420 --> 00:17:35,150 influenced by rewards and upheavals 500 00:17:39,370 --> 00:17:37,430 ahead in our lives as growing evidence 501 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:39,380 is suggesting it might then the study of 502 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:41,330 this phenomenon cannot ignore highly 503 00:17:46,090 --> 00:17:44,270 personal meanings and associations that 504 00:17:47,890 --> 00:17:46,100 may be relatively inaccessible to strict 505 00:17:49,810 --> 00:17:47,900 laboratory methods in one way or another 506 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:49,820 it may be necessary to put psychics on 507 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:51,530 the couch because for all its faults 508 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:53,450 psychoanalysis straddles the sciences 509 00:17:57,130 --> 00:17:54,980 and humanities in a way that would allow 510 00:17:59,560 --> 00:17:57,140 us to study psy as a meaning centered 511 00:18:01,540 --> 00:17:59,570 phenomenon I suggest Freud's meta 512 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:01,550 psychology actually offers a ready-made 513 00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:02,990 theoretical framework for studying 514 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:05,390 precognition and presentiment we simply 515 00:18:08,050 --> 00:18:06,470 need to do what Freud could add and 516 00:18:10,540 --> 00:18:08,060 manage it I imagine turn the famous 517 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:10,550 iceberg on its side we might think of 518 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:12,260 the unconscious not as something below 519 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,270 the surface but in other words but it's 520 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:16,400 part of our cognition that is displaced 521 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:18,710 from the present from present conscious 522 00:18:22,750 --> 00:18:20,600 awareness in time including ahead of us 523 00:18:24,940 --> 00:18:22,760 this not yet conscious portion of our 524 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:24,950 mental activity may perturb our behavior 525 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:26,570 and cognition through all the modalities 526 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:28,700 that interested Freud in dreams in Para 527 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:30,950 proxies and creativity even in neurotic 528 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:33,440 symptoms that Freud himself was a Precog 529 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:35,450 and denial of that fact is just the 530 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:37,160 choicest of many ironies in that 531 00:18:55,170 --> 00:18:51,680 okay we have a few minutes for questions 532 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:55,180 but let's remember that the sooner the 533 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:56,530 questions are done with the sooner we 534 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:01,120 can have our break thank you I think 535 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:03,370 you're exactly right that that Freud 536 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:05,920 tribe was repressing precognitive 537 00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:07,780 aspects but what I would like to suggest 538 00:19:14,340 --> 00:19:09,670 is that it was part of the larger 539 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:14,350 repression and that played out in his 540 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:16,990 relationship with Jung so there are many 541 00:19:21,570 --> 00:19:19,570 ways in which so even between them there 542 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:21,580 was a case of denial of clairvoyance 543 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:23,980 where Jung predicted there would be 544 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:25,990 another paranormal explosion from a 545 00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:28,600 bookcase and and Freud said that's sure 546 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:30,190 Bosch and then he tried to debunk it 547 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:33,010 after it actually happened but at the 548 00:19:38,790 --> 00:19:37,060 same time Freud was as you put it in the 549 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:38,800 grips of his own de Mon in that he had 550 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:40,840 to constantly confront as he did with 551 00:19:45,330 --> 00:19:43,360 all these attempts at debunking the very 552 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:45,340 thing that he was afraid of and that was 553 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:48,340 he was numinous Lee fascinated with so 554 00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,590 for example he was against precognitive 555 00:19:55,050 --> 00:19:52,480 but he had his own pathological 556 00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:55,060 numerological obsessions where he 557 00:19:59,160 --> 00:19:56,800 thought he would die at a particular age 558 00:20:01,020 --> 00:19:59,170 because of that so and he couldn't keep 559 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:01,030 himself from that obsession even though 560 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:04,210 he's against precognition also in his 561 00:20:09,810 --> 00:20:06,850 relationship with Jung you know you see 562 00:20:11,370 --> 00:20:09,820 a dream that Jung has that involves time 563 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:11,380 travel where were yiling has a dreamer 564 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:12,850 he's going down into different layers of 565 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:15,670 the unconscious earlier in earlier ones 566 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:18,610 and that dream really agitated Freud 567 00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,740 because what he was really agitated 568 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:22,720 about and that caused the split with 569 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:26,290 Jung is that he wanted to be contained 570 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:28,630 in his ego he wanted to conserve in 571 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:31,660 terms of psychic structures himself as 572 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:34,330 the ego remember what he said where it 573 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:37,180 is their ego shall be so ego was like 574 00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:39,700 his god and the self when Jung called 575 00:20:42,660 --> 00:20:41,320 the self which is the totality of 576 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:42,670 psychic structures which is 577 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:44,410 trans-temporal and aware of the 578 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:47,740 archetypes is a violation of that you 579 00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:49,480 know this is why he would tell the young 580 00:20:52,890 --> 00:20:52,540 we have to oppose the rising tide of mr. 581 00:20:58,140 --> 00:20:52,900 says 582 00:21:00,030 --> 00:20:58,150 and and we're young recognized a tragic 583 00:21:01,410 --> 00:21:00,040 flaw in Freud where he said I can't tell 584 00:21:02,730 --> 00:21:01,420 you my associations with a dream would 585 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:02,740 undermine my authority 586 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:05,230 so his fragile self-identity was more 587 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:07,270 important than consciousness and and 588 00:21:12,270 --> 00:21:09,550 that was revealed in that moment so 589 00:21:15,810 --> 00:21:12,280 ultimately I believe it was it was 590 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:15,820 Freud's denial of the self and that's 591 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:17,290 why if you go to his apartment in London 592 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:18,730 last when he lived and he's surrounded 593 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:20,830 by archetypes all these idols he had on 594 00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:22,900 his desk but it was the very thing that 595 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:24,580 he had to repress so I think the 596 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:27,670 repression of nonlinear time was part of 597 00:21:36,570 --> 00:21:29,320 that larger structural repression of 598 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:36,580 other aspects of the psyche hi I have a 599 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:40,840 short question because when I was I was 600 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,710 listening to Dale Graff before and he 601 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:47,200 was talking about the same author the 602 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:51,840 the done author and he mentioned the 603 00:21:58,860 --> 00:21:56,980 volcano man play now I wanted to know if 604 00:22:01,710 --> 00:21:58,870 either of you frankly knew the 605 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:01,720 derivation of that sin since it's a is 606 00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:04,990 very synchronistic perhaps of Pele the 607 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:09,640 the goddess of Hawaii and so forth I 608 00:22:12,930 --> 00:22:11,320 assume that that was probably the origin 609 00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:12,940 bite I don't know I don't know do you 610 00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:21,179 know Dale it does seem very 611 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:28,030 synchronistic oh yes his blog is very 612 00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:29,620 interesting so you should all read that 613 00:22:37,620 --> 00:22:34,840 thank you is it possible that the 614 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:37,630 different possible futures are at the 615 00:22:45,299 --> 00:22:40,990 same time viewable but also at the same 616 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:45,309 time which future happens is not 617 00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:48,370 predictable and has something to do with 618 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:52,960 choice or desire well yeah this is a 619 00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:55,090 huge debate in the community of people 620 00:23:00,060 --> 00:22:57,429 who study precognition and I'm in the my 621 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:00,070 min the minority position that I sort of 622 00:23:05,610 --> 00:23:02,290 I adhere to the what's called the block 623 00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:05,620 universe paradigm so that precognition 624 00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:06,550 is of an actual 625 00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:07,990 future but we're not seeing it 626 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:10,660 necessarily quite directly or correctly 627 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:12,250 and in such a way that we could actually 628 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:14,410 for for clothes if we're seeing 629 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:15,700 possibility we're always going to 630 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:18,190 misinterpret it and I think that's why 631 00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:19,870 that's one reason to me Freud is so 632 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:21,580 interesting because he was you know he 633 00:23:24,510 --> 00:23:23,020 interpreted like the distortions and 634 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,520 dreams and so forth as defense 635 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:27,280 mechanisms I think you can go back to 636 00:23:34,890 --> 00:23:30,730 Freud and reinterpret his sort of dream 637 00:23:36,990 --> 00:23:34,900 work theory as having to do with the way 638 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:37,000 we necessarily misinterpret information 639 00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:39,730 for our future in a way that that allows 640 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:42,220 that future to occur and not be 641 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:45,820 foreclosed that's my mess by minority 642 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:47,350 opinion though I think most people this 643 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:49,930 room would probably adhere to the 644 00:23:57,540 --> 00:23:55,300 multiple one more thing was the picture 645 00:24:00,270 --> 00:23:57,550 of the sideways iceberg like the future 646 00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:00,280 part only had ego and 647 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:03,640 I'm not ignore the ego in part I'm I was 648 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:05,770 mainly just divided the division be 649 00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,740 conscious and unconscious let's thank